Sunday, August 26, 2012

E-MAIL: Question has been raised about retired Chicago firefighters medical coverage and if true will this also be done to retired Chicago cops?


Shaved , I had dinner tonight with my father, a retired P.O., 69 years old. He said a friend who is a retired firefighter recently recceived a letter from the city stating that his supplemental Blue Cross/Blue shield health care coverage (Part B, I think?) is being terminated at the end of June 2013. The letter goes on to explain that receipients of the letter need to make their own arrangements for coverage after this point.
Keeping in mind the court case of a few years ago that stated that the city doesn't have to provide health care after June 2013, does anyone have any idea what this portends for actrive, as well as retired Police Officers, in the future? Perhaps the city will attempt to use this for major contract concessions in the upcoming contract negotiations?
After all, the Board of Ed is refusing step raises to teachers, in violation of their current contract, saying that the provision simply doesnt apply when there is no contract, despite the contract clause that states ALL provisions of the current contract remain in effect until a new contract is negotiated.
This is truly a scary thought. Think about how much health care would cost for your family if you had to pay everything out of pocket. Is the city setting the stage to get out of health coverage altogether?
Anyone on the inside, or with legal expertise, that can weigh in?

37 comments:

Anonymous said...

According to an employee of the Laborers Pension, the plans provided by the city to retirees comes up for review and revision every 10 years. that's 2013 for eveyone. The Laborers fund pays around $90, the city $400, and the retiree $400, for a total of $900 a month for a single retiree for Blue cross PPO. The City will try and dump their portion. But according to her, they all know they will be sending themselves to hell when they do it to us. As much analingus as your union folks perform on you remember, once retired they DO NOT REPRESENT YOU. They actually have a fiduciary duty to active employees, so when they lie to you about backing up the retirees, they are bound by union rules to only help rank and file employees, who ARE NOT RETIRED. Retirees need to organize now, no one represents you. No one.

john said...

You have to plan for this sort of BS

old retired guy

Anonymous said...

Residency........tick tock....

Anonymous said...

Even as low as the presnt city leaders are I don't know if they will be able to cut us off totally. Most of these aldermen have retired cops and firemen still living in their wards. Look to be paying more. The FOP is fucking worthless.

Anonymous said...

"This is truly a scary thought. Think about how much health care would cost for your family if you had to pay everything out of pocket. Is the city setting the stage to get out of health coverage altogether?
Anyone on the inside, or with legal expertise, that can weigh in?"

Wa wa wa....welcome to the real working class.

Anonymous said...

Part B has nothing to do with this. You pay Medicare for Part B if you wish to have it. The city offers a Supplemental Plan which the retiree would pay the stated premium. If the city decides not to offer the supplemental plan the retiree can obtain any one of many supplemental plans from various insurers. For 2012 BC/BS offers a supplemental plan to Medicare to a 65 year old for approx. $155.00 per month.

Anonymous said...

Irish Welfare is too expensive.They will be wittling down your pension....watch.

Anonymous said...

Its coming!!

Anonymous said...

It's called the Korshak Decision........

Anonymous said...

The retirees are involved in this health care case since 1987 when Mayor Washington went to court and took the position that the city does not have to pay for retirees health insurance. Since then every 7 to 10 years the case comes up and up till now there is a compromise or agreement regarding the health care. The current agreement is up in 2013, everyone should have known that it is due this year. The big question is will there be a new agreement or will the city play hardball and refuse to pay I believe the court case is the Korschak decision

Anonymous said...

I just posted the info about the Korschak case and now found the agreement. It states that after June 30, 2013 the city is NO LONGER obligated to pay for any retirees health insurance
http://www.cityofchicago.org/dam/city/depts/fin/supp_info/Benefits/Handbooks/AnnuitantSettlementPlans.pdf

Anonymous said...

death to the mayor

Anonymous said...

Really?

Really?

This city sent the very dude to Washington who pushed for this socialized health care bill that you all will be on...

Did you think it was only good for us privates, but not you?

Your promise was with a politician, nobody else.

Promises aren't forever, and they have no legal obligation to you.

One big fat THANK YOU for supporting such loser democrats.

I constantly hear how nobody voted for him yet when I review 19th, 23rd and the N.W. Side wards where the rank and file of the CPD and CFD live, the numbers don't add up.

You asked for this, you got it.

Remember, your leader had that glorious saying, "Everyone in, nobody out."

Welcome to the real world... All that you worked for will soon be GONE.

I Voted For Obama said...

Obama believes in divide and conquer. See the similarity?

Anonymous said...

Quinn is trying to do the same thing to retired State employees.

Anonymous said...

Local 2 DOES represent retirees.

Anonymous said...

The 1st poster is absolutely correct. Any retiree who is not 65 yoa and medicare eligible by 01 Jul 2013 will be responsible for their health coverage unless the City comes to an agreement for future coverage before that date. Any retiree who now pays the reduced rate for BCBS medicare eligible supplemental insurance will also be on their own. Start shopping now boys and girls because there ain't no way in Hell that the City will be looking out for you. As far as organizing representation for retiree's benefits, good luck with that. The City doesn't care about the active rank and files representation by the FOP so does anyone think they will care about a bunch of old fuck retired guys who are spread out all over this country? If anyone comes up with a plan or petition or a march on City Hall, I'll support it but I don't give it it much of a chance of succeeding. Sorry for being so negative on that. Maybe I was a cop for too long.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Wa wa wa....welcome to the real working class.

August 26, 2012 10:22 PM

Where was the real working class when I had to go up 14 flights of piss soaked stairs to fight some maniac nigger.Didn't see you anywhere near pussy.When I was shot at and returned fire I would have loved to have your dumb ass there so you could compare that to your "real working class"you rancid cunt.

prince2109 said...

We all hope to retire, fuck with our retirees you fuck with us. all city workers BLUE FLU ! Scabs die call a 10-1 lots of luck.

Anonymous said...

If we had universal single-payer national health care like other advanced nations, then this wouldnt be an issue now, would it?

All you chumbalones go ahead and vote for Romney-Ryan and watch what happens.

Anonymous said...

Hey, chump - the Republicans will gut your work benefits, toss social security, and sink the economy AGAIN.

If you truly and intelligently understood the issues, you'd NEVER again support the Republicans.

Anonymous said...

Bull crap - not Quinn.
I became a State of Illinois employee in 1983 and the writing was on the wall then.
State obligations to public sector employees and retirees are dragging government down.
Look at the local units of municipal government that are declaring bankruptcy to avoid these very unrealistic and unworkable obligations.

Anonymous said...

FOP=Fucking Older Police.

You have a contract. Now they want to tear up the contract and write a new one. Who suffers? Those most unable to defend themselves against the rat bastards in both the city and union management.

Anonymous said...

Can anyone verify if that letter was actually sent by the city or if so get a copy of it or is this just a rumor

Anonymous said...

Emmanuel has declared war on city employees particularly fire and police. All of this recent press and impending coverage of active duty medical role use is designed to garner support to slash benefits across the board. The Union is impotent or worse on board.

Anonymous said...

That's what you get when you blindly follow the union recommendations.

Anonymous said...

Don't worry everyone you can all go on Obamacare soon. If you need some expensive care and are elderly however you can just take a pill or three for pain and it will all be better.

Anyone remember the movie Logan's Run? Yep it is otw.

Anonymous said...

Vote ALL Politicians who do little or nothing OUT OF OFFICE, this November. Forget Democommie or Republicunts, vote out ANY Politicians running who have NOT made things better for you, Joe Six pack, and your Middle Class Taxpaying Family. No moe 8 years in Office without great results for the first 4. No more B.S. about things will get better for sure if they just get 4 more years. Enough Excuses already. Fix things without screwing us, or, you're OUT-NOW.

Anonymous said...

What about those who retired with the "55 and out"? The retirement agreement clearly states that the city will pay healthcare costs for the retiree and spouse until Medicare kicks in.

Anonymous said...

If you look at it closely,this 55 and out is a amended agreement to the current agreement on healthcare that expires in 2013.In other words,it's a seduction by the city to get you to leave.Everything starts at ground zero in 2013 when the existing Korshak agreement ends.Pension is protected by state law,but not health care.Those of you taking the bait of 55 and out are taking a big risk.Right now,it's probably better to stay put until you know what actually happens next year.In summation,your amended 55 and out agreement expires in 2013.The city skillfully hoodwinked many on this one.Beware of those bearing gifts(politicians).They are much more adept at finding ways to receive(campaign contributions etc.)than to give!

Anonymous said...

If the city has no obligation to the retires than they can do what they want to retiree benifets. This is the new plan for all the working class.
The republicans are doing anything they can to union bust! Look at what's happening in Wisconsin. Thank you republicans. Coming to a city / town near you.

Anonymous said...

Chicago has been ruled by Democrats and unions with an iron fist for over 50 years.The Democratic politicians deferred payment into the cities share for pension contributions for just as long.Diverting this responsibility to the Republican party is bogus.Both parties have at the very least,a shared responsibility,but not in Chicago!The unions and the dictator mayors of this wunnerfull city mirrored each other.They increasingly got in bed with each other to the point that we didn't know who was ------- who!To blame the Republicans is like blaming the former 41st ward Schill alderman!A Democrat in disguise to make it look like Chicago wasn't a dictatorship.Bush didn't cause the problems here either.signed,a independent union member who votes on his conscious,not on his wallet.The chickens have come home to roost.Now unfortunately,we have to pay for current and mostly past corruption.I didn't get mine,because I refused to pay them!I sleep well at night.

Anonymous said...

This Post is all BS ,just someone wanting to stir up some shit. If there really was a letter sent out by the city, other firefighters and po's would have received one by now. Also if there was a letter, a copy would have been posted on Shaved or SCC all BS

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
This Post is all BS ,just someone wanting to stir up some shit. If there really was a letter sent out by the city, other firefighters and po's would have received one by now. Also if there was a letter, a copy would have been posted on Shaved or SCC all BS

August 28, 2012 3:02 PM

Once again, Bozo, read the Korshak Agreement. You can't be a cop because all P.O.'s would presumably know their contract rights. Right?

Anonymous said...

Local2 DOES negotiate for RETIREES HEALTH CARE.

Anonymous said...

Look what has happened with the last four years you dickless wonder.
I'm willing to vote Republican this time. Can't be any worse!

Anonymous said...

Talked with three retired Chicago firemen. No one has seen this "letter". Has anyone out there seen this "letter"? Sounds like some kind of bullshit. Anyone know anything more?